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    ok... I see this topic and I really really feel I shouldn't post here but w/e... can't help it. To start off a little personal history. My father was born Jewish but to a non-religious family my mother was born Catholic into a religious family, they met in college and married shortly after college. Soon after they where married they started looking into Judaism, my father started to become religious and my mother started the conversion process. I was born about halfway through this process and as my mother was not yet Jewish I too was not considered Jewish (according to Jewish law you're only Jewish if your mother was). In the end I was converted along with my mother and was raised as an Orthodox Jew. At about age 12 my parents decided to move to Israel, mainly as it's our ancestral homeland (in more ways than one, I can trace my lineage on my father's side to some of the original Jewish settlers in Israel). When I turned 13 (Bar-Mitzvah age, basically the first Jewish coming of age ceremony when you become responsible to do certain things each day) imagine my surprise when I was asked by certain Rabbis if I wanted to be Jewish. Apparently as I was converted at a very young age I have to confirm that I want to become Jewish once I hit 13 (and may have to go through a similar process when I hit 21 [fun fact: Judaism is the only religion which never actively seeks converts and during the conversion process there are actually several attempts to dissuade you from the process]). Of course as I was raised an Orthodox Jew I said yes and now looking back I stand by my decision. At the moment religion is a very difficult subject for me as usually I'm a see it to believe it person and religion in general always used to seem like a "do it because that's the way it's always been done" type thing. However there is a program called the Aish Hatorah Discovery Seminar which actually brings valid points on how Judaism differs from other religions by being grounded in facts and science instead of grounded purely in leaps of faith (I highly reccomend this program to anyone interested at all in religion in general or even just to e-mail some of the lecturers with questions or arguments). I was sent to one of these seminars as part of my schools "kids who seem to not give a shit" program but actually really enjoyed it. My religious view is: I do believe there is a God (however you want to call it, a higher power), I do believe Judaism is the true religion, however I have personal issues and doubts with the way some people currently observe it that affect the way I feel about modern Judaism (nothing to do with Reform or Conservative "Jews").

    As for other religions... well living in Israel (religious melting pot of the world) I know all sorts of people who believe different things but as the most relevant here is Islam... I do have a few Arab friends and from what I understand about the Islamic religion (both from conversations with them and from the many documentaries available) it is at it's heart an extremely violent religion. Most religious Muslims practice a very watered down version of Islam, similar to most Christians (Church on special occasions and Christmas) but as Islam is a stricter and harsher religion to start with the watered down version seems from the outside to be very..., for lack of a better word, stringent. Sadly though the people who observe the closest to the original Islamic that you can get are the terrorist and suicide bombers. The most holy thing a Muslim can do is sacrifice himself to kill an "infidel".

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    Apologies for the wall of text, gz if you make it through alive. That's means you could probably pass 3rd grade English !! (beep beep****sarcasm detected...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by raw114 View Post
    The most holy thing a Muslim can do is sacrifice himself to kill an "infidel".
    that's kinda wrong man. I have a few muslim friends myself, and all of them know, and it's said in the Quran that muslims must "hold their grounds" in a attack, they never say anything about "killing the infidels" crap. actually it's a capital sin for a muslim to kill someone, no matter what religion they are. The Quran commands muslims to stick up for themselves in a defensive battle, if an enemy attacks for example, I guess that's what EVERYONE does anyway, right? then muslims are to fight against that enemy until they stop their aggression. All of the verses that speak about fighting/war in the Qur'an are in this context. but since of this objective view of saying things, extremist groups took advantage of it and interpret it in their own ways...
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    Do you have any idea how many ways you can interpret the Quran? Remember Arabic grammar is very different from English or Slavic languages and can be interpreted many ways. So unless you're friends speak perfect ancient Arabic and have degrees in Islamic history then they probably just know what they where taught. No different than your average religious person, how many actually know about there religion besides from what they where taught by parents, services, or even school?

    I don't want a huge argument over a religion that may cause bad feelings between us (especially as neither of us are Islamic). The above is just some food for thought, it's your right to disagree with me and I have no intention of trying to influence your beliefs. So at the very least let's just agree to disagree.
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    I said what I know, I don't give a shit about all the fuss about this, and I don't understand why would anyone be upset because of some religion debates?
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    "Al Qaeda's cause is not Islam - it is a gross distortion of Islam," - Barack Obama

    Keep the tones low guys, no fighting or arguing please. Discussion only. And stay on topic, start another thread for space, etc..

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    I used dictionary 30 times while reading this site of topic... wow
    I'm really intrested in hinduism right now. I'm not saying that I want to be a hinduism, but I really like some ideas in this religion.
    I like esspecialy the whole Karma and reincarnation thing. In hinduism your soul is immortal, and when u die, u go on higher level. From single object to animal, than to human, and on and on, ending on some kind of god. People are getting karma with every thing they do (bad or good), and when they die, karma burns and they go to higher level, stay human, or (very rarely) go back.

    I think it''s great. I would love to born again as something more than human well hinduism is very Veeery complicated religion, and I have no time to talk about it in here. Some of their ideas are just stupid, but some are really great.
    btw.. fun fact. Cow can do EVERYTHING in India. it can go everywhere, and ppl just can't turn it out yea.. cows=gods.. . lol

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    "Al Qaeda's cause is not Islam - it is a gross distortion of Islam," - Barack Obama
    I forgot, Obama knows exactly what he's talking about and everything he says should be taken as absolute fact...
    Don't take my word for it, do some of your own research. Real research, not "ask a friend who's Muslim", contact historians, read articles, watch documentaries, etc... then you can come to your own conclusions.

    I said what I know, I don't give a shit about all the fuss about this, and I don't understand why would anyone be upset because of some religion debates?
    I really don't care about someones religion either, what they do on their own time is there own business. As long at it stays private. What I get annoyed at is when people decide to force their ideals and views on the rest of the world. ie: religious debates, just the fact that they happen is a pain in the ass.

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    I'm an Atheist too, and an physics student to an aetheist physic teacher he made 15/25 of are class aethiest just by putting the idea that god may not be real into there heads people think that god is the only answer that everything must lead to on to person and until someone questions this belief for us why would we
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    .murf, I'm sure we'd all love to know you opinion. Unfortunately there is a substantial lack of an understandable sentence in that post . Soooo... maybe re-write it?
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