Thread: Religions

I'm also atheist, but the thing about anti-islam dude is really new to me. Anyway. Islam came into being in 622 year, so it's 600 years Younger, than Christian.
I guess we all know what was happening 600 years ago in christian countries. Christian army, burning "witches", and other seriously sick stuff...
and look at islam right now. This religion is not that evolved I think. They need some time to become tolerant.

What about me? I don't believe, that there's something. I think, that all what happens is up to us, and we have no soul, only 1 life, and we need to live as good as we can to ourselves, and other people. But reincarnation would be awesome ' I mean it. I really don't want to end with everything after my death, that would suck a lot.

These are my thoughts, for now, cos I'm in a bit hurry now. I will write more when I'm back from work, see ya .

Originally Posted by J a v a .BE

These religions just try to protect their faiths, and most of the times it are those people who have nothing to believe in than in their religion.
And therefore want to protect it with everything they've got. These ppl do stupid things like 9/11.

The problem with 9/11 is that it should not be considered as "people trying to protect their religion and doing a stupid thing". It has to be considered as "People manipulating other people - mostly desperate ones, or people who had bad experiences with "The West" - into believing that crashing a plane in a building is a summum of religiosity, and will be rewarded in heaven".

I think that in some cases, terrorrist leaders (from any board) don't even believe themselves in what they preach, but just use it for manipulation of the weaker.

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Originally Posted by Infinal

Sorry but this guy lost me as soon as he started saying theirs a galaxy full of human life. What is this? another sectarian group???

It has been proven that the conditions for human life on earth are EXTREMELY rare.
- we are far enough from the sun, but not too far
- the presence of the moon
- the presence of Jupiter, protecting us from a lot of dangerous asteroïds
- Earth's composition
etc. etc.

So even if theres 67 million planets in just our galaxy, the chances the exact conditions are met are extremely small.

Secondly, this is another example of "human's the superior form of life". Even if there WAS another planet where life would be possible, evolution and natural selection will have had different courses in that planet, giving completely different kinds of species. "Humans" anatomically and biologically equal to us will NEVER exist anywhere else, unless we've gone there and settled.

Originally Posted by GalakFyarr

Sorry but this guy lost me as soon as he started saying theirs a galaxy full of human life. What is this? another sectarian group???

well... there is more than u think... and much much more...
and its not in any realation with sectarian group... and it seems u dont read the Science news...

I just gave you scientific arguments for proving there is and never will be any other "human" civilization in outer space... you didn't even acknowledge it;

The whole way he speaks, the way he conveys his message strangely reminds me of religious people conveying "the good word". Sorry, if it isn't that, it just feels like it.

And since he's saying a total rubbish thing starting from 5 minutes into the movie, I assume it's indeed another "good word" preacher, and in this case, the "good word" is that there are other human civilizations in the universe, and it's all hidden from us.

Originally Posted by Quper

Disagree with that. I think it's the believing in god what gives them the hope not the religion.

+1
but remember that what we see today as "bad" in religion, like for example, the inquisition, and here I mention the spanish inquisition which was the worse of them all, back in those days people wanted that, they wanted violence, they were taking their 5-10 yrs old kids to see executions and people tortured in public... people were thinking differently back then, different times. so putting "religions with bad past" into discussion, that has nothing to do with what people believe today. it wasn't the religion, it was the people who were bad.

I do believe in God, because I know some things that make me think this way. Alot of stuff about the universe we live in, alot of theories that let ALOT of space for a God. Sadly alot of kids these days are atheists cuz "it's cool", not because they don't believe in a god. but yea, one day we'll all gonna die and see who's right, or not see anything lol Personally I don't give a damn about what people believe or not, we all have the right for our own opinions, but I hate people who can't do shit without God being they're fuckin copilot, or the ones that continuously say "it does not exist, I can prove it". neither one can prove anything, so fuck them both

Originally Posted by GalakFyarr

So even if theres 67 million planets in just our galaxy, the chances the exact conditions are met are extremely small.

lol where you got that info? SMALL? there are approximately 1 million planets in our galaxy that contain life. and approximately 10 civilizations, numbers calculated with Drake's equation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation . Remember, this numbers are MINUMUM.
and remember, JUST planets. even in our own solar system there could be life on Europa, Jupiter's moon, or methane based life on Titan, not water. universe is BIG, you have alot to read to understand my point of view

Originally Posted by GalakFyarr

I think that in some cases, terrorrist leaders (from any board) don't even believe themselves in what they preach, but just use it for manipulation of the weaker.

Exactly what i meant with saying, that it are most of the times the people who have nothing else to believe in anymore than in their religion. You called them the weaker, I wasn't talking about the political affairs from the extremists

Originally Posted by GalakFyarr

I just gave you scientific arguments for proving there is and never will be any other "human" civilization in outer space... you didn't even acknowledge it;

You should go tell NASA, at least they can stop searching then, I myself I have to believe there is another Earth-like planet somewhere out there in space
And Space is really huge and still not fully explored and will probably never be!
After typing this, I see WeedMan kinda summarized it all :p +1

Originally Posted by GalakFyarr

I just gave you scientific arguments for proving there is and never will be any other "human" civilization in outer space... you didn't even acknowledge it;

how about you google Gliese 581c and Gliese 581d. two rocky planets orbiting the same star at less then 25light years from earth, at the right distance from their star for water to occur. and they're orbiting a red dwarf, so that star will be alive for 500 billion years, not 10 like our sun. the possibilities are ENDLESS dude. just open your eyes

Originally Posted by J a v a .BE

Exactly what i meant with saying, that it are most of the times the people who have nothing else to believe in anymore than in their religion. You called them the weaker, I wasn't talking about the political affairs from the extremists


You should go tell NASA, at least they can stop searching then, I myself I have to believe there is another Earth-like planet somewhere out there in space
And Space is really huge and still not fully explored and will probably never be!
After typing this, I see WeedMan kinda summarized it all :p +1

Originally Posted by WeedMan

how about you google Gliese 581c and Gliese 581d. two rocky planets orbiting the same star at less then 25light years from earth, at the right distance from their star for water to occur. and they're orbiting a red dwarf, so that star will be alive for 500 billion years, not 10 like our sun. the possibilities are ENDLESS dude. just open your eyes

being overly religious and have nothing else than your religion doesn't make you an extremist per se. It's once you believe that it's the only thing that everyone else should have too, then it becomes tricky.

Leaders of extremist groups always have political affairs...


And on the space topic
Both of you got me wrong. or I didn't phrase it right

it has been proved that life as we know it on earth is highly unlikely to exist, because the aforementionned conditions. I didn't say any life-form would be impossible. Sure, there's million of planets who have some of the conditions we have. But these two planets WeedMan just mentionned do not have a giant planet like Jupiter protecting them from asteroïds... Life could be possible, and maybe it HAS existed over there. But, unlike our planet, they are more vulnerable to outside influences.

Anyhow, that's not my point, as I myself believe there MUST be life out there. The mistake is to believe we will find humans out there., which is exactly what the guy in the video was trying to convince us...

We assume that for life there's water and oxygen (and other conditions, but these are the biggest) needed, but who says there aren't any life-forms possible without these?

Our body, our genetical structure is made this way because of millions of years of environmental influences, just like all the other animals. On another planet, even if it's an exact copy of the earth, there has been other influences (or even the same kind of influences, but not in the same order, not in the same intensity, etc. etc.) which will have lead to a different evolution, to different species.

Even if there was an exact copy of our solar system right "next" to ours, we wouldn't find the same things over there, and we will not find "humans". We might find another intelligent life-form, but it will surely be different.

If you want more information, I have the article from 2008 that I translated from a french science periodic to English. Translation might be that good, but it's readable. You can download the PDF file HERE

Originally Posted by GalakFyarr

But these two planets WeedMan just mentionned do not have a giant planet like Jupiter protecting them from asteroïds... Life could be possible, and maybe it HAS existed over there. But, unlike our planet, they are more vulnerable to outside influences.

actually because of Jupiter, our chances of being hit by an asteroid are 30% BIGGER. BAM!! HEADSHOT! and life as we know it here on earth will be the same. advance life forms need legs to move, they need 2 eyes to see stereoscopically, etc. carbon is carbon everywhere man, and it will create DNA if the conditions are right. and NOBODY expects to find humans outside in the universe anyway...

and about that water-oxygen thing, we already know they aren't a must. hydrocarbons can subtitute water, or liquid hydrogen. so exotic life forms could exist even inside Jupiter, but we might never find or see it because of the conditions there. and here on earth there are bacteria that use iron instead of oxygen deep in the earth's crust as an "oxidation" agent. no offense man, but you're 10-20 years back regarding your information level